Trinity United Methodist Church
Church Council Meeting
May 17, 2010
Call to Order: Nate Lange called the meeting to order at 7:05 PM
Unison reading of mission statement was recited by all.
Attendees: Charlie Yund, Nate Lange, Gail Conschafter, Pastor Jeff, Kathy Stisser, Chris Hipp, Anne Hipp, Sheila Rader, Judy Maurer, Bob Kaiser, Sue Kaiser, Liz VonWald, Excused: Jim Ellson, Wesley Burkman, Bobbie Cap, Ginny Wilkinson, John Harbison Guests: Regina Truitt, Carrie Mesmer, Jill Atkinson.
Opening Devotions: Sue Kaiser opened in prayer. Nate shared Matthew 25:14-30. Discussion followed on talents. Nate expressed his thoughts regarding on responsibilities and asked the question, “Did you make good on what was given to you? Are we being responsible with the leadership that has been given to us?” Nate challenged us to make the most of what we are given and are responsible for.
Changes and additions to the Agenda: Nate made a few changes in the order of the agenda. UMW would like to be added to the agenda before Blog Evaluation.
New Business: UMW is dba Women’s Ministry @ Trinity. Carrie reminded the committee that there was a need to take a different route to include and encourage new women to participate and attend the activities. They are attempting to regenerate interest and meet the needs of all the women of the church. The group is still looking to expand and include all women. The group now has a Bible study and a Lit and Latte course. They are looking to attending Women of Faith and considering hosting our own retreat in the fall. A number of activities are still taking place. Room scheduling has been a challenge so consequently all activities are on hold. Regina added that this group is not to replace UMW. The idea is to be all women of the church. It is an all-compassing ministry funded through UMW. Charlie took a look at the activities in the church, and reported that every room in the church is being utilized. Discussion on what other committees meet in the Lounge. Charlie reported that the Lounge is highly used and the women are also looking for an area for storage. Charlie felt the room by the back door could easily be converted to accommodate the group, and that it should be a Trustee’s issue. The question arose as to whether there would be a better room. Bob Kaiser said the Trustees are here to serve the church, and felt they should convey the options: and in this case, there are very few options out there. Sue brought up the suggestion of making the back coat room a room for more storage. Charlie said it had been considered, but felt it would not work. Discussion on what Historic Trinity used to be and if it might be considered for other options. There was an explanation of what used to be there and what is there now. Trustees would like us to make the decision. Judy moved we accept the request that Women’s Ministry @ Trinity presented to the Church Council that the room by the rear entrance to TUMC be set aside as the Women’s Ministry Room. The room would be remodeled and decorated with funds supplied by UMW and would involve moving the wall of the existing ladies’ room lounge. Chris seconded. Discussion followed. Bob stated that the usage of the church is a problem, and that we should make a decision based on an overall solution. Kathy questioned as to whether we could move the wall to make the storage area larger and use the room until “further notice.”
You could do that and end up with a more usable room for whatever purpose! Nate commented on the fact that if the women pay for the renovation and then are moved to a larger room, there should be no hard feelings. Vote to stop discussion was held. Motion carried. Vote on Judy’s motion was then passed.
Blog Evaluation: The blog works much better if you have a Gmail account. Charlie commented that it is great that anyone in the church can access it to see what is going on in the church. It helps with the Council meeting. It might be worth it if Jeff sends out a mass mailing to everyone with the link. Nate said that some of those 9:00 attendees read the blog. Perhaps we could have a link to the blog on the church website. Nate will e mail that to Linda tomorrow.
Questions/Comments on Reports: Charlie noticed that there was no indication in reports that might need Council’s action. For emphasis, please add something in the text to draw attention. Please submit with as little format as necessary for ease in posting. Liz questioned as to whether or not there might be a separate section for action items. There would have to be a running tally and then post it a few days before the meeting. Gail and Nate will work out the details of this.
Worship: Jeff reported that there will be a church-wide time of discussion on the Fall worship and Sunday school schedule on Wednesday night, May 26 with all that are interested. Options were looked at for all services. Worship options:
1. Stay where we are
2. Two services: 8 AM and 10:30 with a variety of types of services.
3. Four hour option of 8, 9 10, and 11. 11 would be the current 10:30 service. The issues are problematic with trying to get from one event to another.
4. Sunday is not the best day for some… Saturday or Sunday evening option.
Jeff compared and researched other churches and their schedules to get some ideas. Sunday school is an issue in most churches. Sue reported Springville is a large church and has an optional weekly communion time after services for all. Pendleton also offers that choice. Nate commented that he would like to see communion offered every Sunday after the 9 AM service. Bob –reiterated that the issue is that the church seems to be “fractured” and we don’t get to see all the members that attend the different services. Sunday school attendance has also been affected. Nate felt that the option of two services at the same time might be an option as a solution to the issue at hand. Anything that is an option will always have pros and cons. We can have unity without all being in the same building at the same time… being together for Sunday school and fellowship. Bob stated that he feels the best thing we can do is seriously consider a blended service. The only topic that was discussed at all three services was the blended service concept. Jeff reported that the attraction of the 9:00 service is the smaller size and the closeness of the group. Bob stated that he feels that the unity is in worshipping together. Nate feels the issue at hand is the 10:30 service is empty and there is a disconnect on some level. Liz commented on her definition of unity and how a person entering would feel welcomed when attending any service. She feels people are looking for love and acceptance… a friendly welcome when walking into church. Bob commented on wholeness and being intergenerational. Anne commented on a blended service and how it was discussed in the past – approx. 10 years ago. There was a good faith effort to create a blended service, and the numbers dwindled. Anne did attend the 9:00 service and said even though it was outside her comfort zone, it was interesting. Nate commented that we should probably discuss our church goals before determining the answer to this issue. Nate asked that we all write down our goals for the next few years so we can discuss this for next month.
Discussion on Church Goals: Tabled until next month. Due to the nature of the next report Nate excused himself as chair and Charlie Yund led the meeting.
SPRC: Charlie recommended that we bring Nate Lange as the Contemporary Service Leader as a paid staff position. He will continue to lead the 9:00 service and do some part time preaching. This could possibly lead to a full time position when the funding becomes available. This is to be compared to the position of Jim Welch for the 10:30 service. Other services might be added in the future, but the responsibility would be to make sure there is leadership. This would not be a position for a licensed pastor at this point. Jeff heard from Conference that Nate’s local pastor’s license may not be approved until next year. Charlie moved we bring Nate on as a staff person with the title of Contemporary Worship Leader. Judy Maurer seconded the motion. Discussion followed. This position would begin June 1st for approximately $6000 for the remainder of the year. The next year would become a part of the budget for funding for the remainder of the 12 month position. Discussion on what Nate is currently doing to insure someone would be able to fill the leadership position at the 9:00 service if he were to be appointed to a different church. It was stated that there is a need for this contemporary service. A question was raised as to whether Nate can continue on as Council Chair. The vote was taken and the motion passed unanimously. Nate returned to the meeting. Charlie congratulated him on his new position. We would like Nate to stay on as Chair of Council if he feels he can handle both. Nate agreed to remain until it becomes too difficult to handle both. There is always a chance that the District will assign Nate somewhere. Nate is spending time with Chris Bidell to “train” him in the event Nate has to step down from the Contemporary Leadership position.
Charlie moved to accept April’s minutes as presented. Sheila seconded the motion and the minutes were approved as presented.
Finance: See Blog Report
Trustees: See Blog Report
CE: See Blog Report
Prayer Ministries: See Blog Report
Next Meeting: Monday, June 21 at 7 PM
Jeff asked for prayer requests along with joys and concerns. Liz asked for prayer for Mark John, Sarah Lange along with Natalie Rice and family.
Meeting adjourned at 9:20 PM
Respectfully submitted,
Gail Conschafter
Thursday, May 27, 2010
Sunday, May 16, 2010
Trustee's Report May 2010
Announcements:
Our May 1st Spring Clean-up saw some 20 volunteers do a lot of good work.
Thanks to all who helped then or called office before or after to ask for a job.
Thanks to Kleen Window, who again cleaned our Family Room windows in and out before Easter, free of charge
We have an unneeded John Deere spreader and plow blade for sale.
Projects Completed:
Installed 2nd Motion detector light near entrance
Purchased leaf blower
Cut up and removed storm-toppled tree in back
Installed Wi-Fi at Historic Trinity
Forestalled a Town decision to tax an “unused” 2-acre parcel of Trinity property
Projects Planned or In Process:
Plan to order 3 cross-and-flame logo mats this week (NTE $700)
Selected contractor to seal and stripe parking lot. ($8000)
Authorized necessary refurbishment of kitchen fire suppression system ($1300)
Authorized replacement of defunct water cooler (NTE $750)
Authorized installation of stair light fixture in Historic Trinity
Investigation of leak around south chevron window awaiting contractor response
Telephone/Internet review all buildings awaiting contractor response
Take video inventory of church property
Install electrical power to equipment garage
Projects Being Considered:
Expand back-entrance meeting room into women’s lounge.
Replace Organ Console
Electronic Sign at Street
Emergency lights for sanctuary
Columbarium for Cemetery
Mount large wooden structure from HT on a Family Room wall.
Our May 1st Spring Clean-up saw some 20 volunteers do a lot of good work.
Thanks to all who helped then or called office before or after to ask for a job.
Thanks to Kleen Window, who again cleaned our Family Room windows in and out before Easter, free of charge
We have an unneeded John Deere spreader and plow blade for sale.
Projects Completed:
Installed 2nd Motion detector light near entrance
Purchased leaf blower
Cut up and removed storm-toppled tree in back
Installed Wi-Fi at Historic Trinity
Forestalled a Town decision to tax an “unused” 2-acre parcel of Trinity property
Projects Planned or In Process:
Plan to order 3 cross-and-flame logo mats this week (NTE $700)
Selected contractor to seal and stripe parking lot. ($8000)
Authorized necessary refurbishment of kitchen fire suppression system ($1300)
Authorized replacement of defunct water cooler (NTE $750)
Authorized installation of stair light fixture in Historic Trinity
Investigation of leak around south chevron window awaiting contractor response
Telephone/Internet review all buildings awaiting contractor response
Take video inventory of church property
Install electrical power to equipment garage
Projects Being Considered:
Expand back-entrance meeting room into women’s lounge.
Replace Organ Console
Electronic Sign at Street
Emergency lights for sanctuary
Columbarium for Cemetery
Mount large wooden structure from HT on a Family Room wall.
Friday, May 14, 2010
May Finance Committee report
Through April:
General Fund giving +$6k vs. 2008, 2009
General Fund spending -$14.5k vs. 2009
General Fund balance +$14.9k vs. -$5.3k in 2009
The increase in General Fund giving is largely offset by reduced Capital Fund giving. In 2010 the monthly average GF giving is +$1.5k vs. 2009, while the average CF giving is -$1.4k monthly.
Much of this reduced spending results from a change in how we accrue our gas heating costs. We do, however, expect to be $5k below our estimated gas costs at year-end.
In April we gave $6.2k to apportionments, and $15.0k ytd, leaving us $2.8k below our commitment year-to-date. This is a significant improvement from 2009, where we had given $9.1k at April month-end.
Considering current giving, the General Fund could be as much as $18k above the budgeted $365k, and we are anticipating being $5k below budget in gas heating costs, but pledged giving is anticipated to decrease $10k in the second half of 2010, giving a net $13k increase.
Historic Trinity financial records were audited and found to be in order. The Committee thanks Jay Martin for this effort.
Jeff Childs asked that the FC consider recommending a $6k spending increase to compensate Nate Lange for his Contemporary Worship leadership from June through year-end. After some discussion the Committee voted to recommend this to the Church Council.
Respectfully submitted
Chris Hipp – Chair, Finance Committee
General Fund giving +$6k vs. 2008, 2009
General Fund spending -$14.5k vs. 2009
General Fund balance +$14.9k vs. -$5.3k in 2009
The increase in General Fund giving is largely offset by reduced Capital Fund giving. In 2010 the monthly average GF giving is +$1.5k vs. 2009, while the average CF giving is -$1.4k monthly.
Much of this reduced spending results from a change in how we accrue our gas heating costs. We do, however, expect to be $5k below our estimated gas costs at year-end.
In April we gave $6.2k to apportionments, and $15.0k ytd, leaving us $2.8k below our commitment year-to-date. This is a significant improvement from 2009, where we had given $9.1k at April month-end.
Considering current giving, the General Fund could be as much as $18k above the budgeted $365k, and we are anticipating being $5k below budget in gas heating costs, but pledged giving is anticipated to decrease $10k in the second half of 2010, giving a net $13k increase.
Historic Trinity financial records were audited and found to be in order. The Committee thanks Jay Martin for this effort.
Jeff Childs asked that the FC consider recommending a $6k spending increase to compensate Nate Lange for his Contemporary Worship leadership from June through year-end. After some discussion the Committee voted to recommend this to the Church Council.
Respectfully submitted
Chris Hipp – Chair, Finance Committee
Thursday, May 13, 2010
May 2010 Worship Report
Submitted by Paul Sipson, co-chair
1. Nate Lange will hopefully be with us next year as Worship Leader for contemporary service.
2. The main discussion involved the results of forums held after each service on May 2.
3. Basically:
-Those who attend the 8 a.m. service are happy with the time and format of their service.
-Those who attend the 9 a.m. service are happy with the time, setting, music, intimacy, and format of their service.
-Those who attend the 10:30 a.m. service are happy with the traditional format, the choir, the organ, the format of their service. However, issues that disturbed 10:30 worshipers included: shrinking number of attenders, communion table and rails down, little contact with people who attend at 8 and 9 a.m., plus others.
If you attended one of the forums, you know there were many other issues, however these are the major ones stated and repeated.
A blended service was brought up, but most people felt that it was not the best solution. They felt that most would not be satisfied with that format.
4. Two Sunday morning configurations were suggested:
A. Keep the 8 and 9 a.m. services the same. Sunday school for all at 10 a..m., Move 10:30 service to 11 or 11:10 a.m.
B. Keep the 8 a.m. the same. Sunday school for all at 9 a.m., Both traditional and contemporary services held at 10:30.
Both would allow Sunday school teachers to attend desired service. 'B' would allow for any joint services to be held in the new sanctuary at a time that everyone worships.
5. Next follow-up discussion opportunity will be held on Wednesday, May 26 at 7 p.m. as part of Wonderful Wednesdays. It will be a pot luck dinner at 6 p.m.
1. Nate Lange will hopefully be with us next year as Worship Leader for contemporary service.
2. The main discussion involved the results of forums held after each service on May 2.
3. Basically:
-Those who attend the 8 a.m. service are happy with the time and format of their service.
-Those who attend the 9 a.m. service are happy with the time, setting, music, intimacy, and format of their service.
-Those who attend the 10:30 a.m. service are happy with the traditional format, the choir, the organ, the format of their service. However, issues that disturbed 10:30 worshipers included: shrinking number of attenders, communion table and rails down, little contact with people who attend at 8 and 9 a.m., plus others.
If you attended one of the forums, you know there were many other issues, however these are the major ones stated and repeated.
A blended service was brought up, but most people felt that it was not the best solution. They felt that most would not be satisfied with that format.
4. Two Sunday morning configurations were suggested:
A. Keep the 8 and 9 a.m. services the same. Sunday school for all at 10 a..m., Move 10:30 service to 11 or 11:10 a.m.
B. Keep the 8 a.m. the same. Sunday school for all at 9 a.m., Both traditional and contemporary services held at 10:30.
Both would allow Sunday school teachers to attend desired service. 'B' would allow for any joint services to be held in the new sanctuary at a time that everyone worships.
5. Next follow-up discussion opportunity will be held on Wednesday, May 26 at 7 p.m. as part of Wonderful Wednesdays. It will be a pot luck dinner at 6 p.m.
Prayer Ministries Report for May 2010
A completion of the abbreviated report on the April prayer event with Rev. Dr. Roy Miller will be in the upcoming TIDINGS. Although the report can only touch on a small portion of the Sat. April 17th worship/teaching/praying times the hope is that those who read it will know that the church is taking a serious look at how our prayer life and ministries might more fully bless our life together.
Beyond our walls the benefit of the event is that is has brought some folks from other Island churches together who want to pray for the Island and its needs and for healing among the different churches. Plans are shaping for a once monthly prayer time. This will be discussed with those pastors and priests who meet regularly as the ministerium for their input to how the invitation to others might be best offered.
Follow-up here at Trinity will include checking with those who attended to see if they have some area of prayer interest or concern that they'd like to address or head up a group which would like to cover the same issues in prayer, such as mothers for their children, men who want encouragement in some area, those who would pray for the life of the church ie working thru the different service times and places and the children's and youth ministries, and of course for Pastor Jeff and Robin and church leaders of so many ministries etc.
Pastor Jeff and I in a recent meeting felt we'd like to follow the people's passion for some of this kind of continuing prayer.
Personally I would be happy and willing to come into any group and talk and pray about concerns and ideas. We'll continue to encourage people to use the Prayer Room for their personal time, during the hours the church is open...and to use the Prayer Chain..Touch Cards, calls and other ways to let people know they are being prayed for.
Thankfully we are planning more time for prayer and discernment in our Church Council meetings in the future...God will guide us! Sue Kaiser, Prayer Ministries Coordinator
Beyond our walls the benefit of the event is that is has brought some folks from other Island churches together who want to pray for the Island and its needs and for healing among the different churches. Plans are shaping for a once monthly prayer time. This will be discussed with those pastors and priests who meet regularly as the ministerium for their input to how the invitation to others might be best offered.
Follow-up here at Trinity will include checking with those who attended to see if they have some area of prayer interest or concern that they'd like to address or head up a group which would like to cover the same issues in prayer, such as mothers for their children, men who want encouragement in some area, those who would pray for the life of the church ie working thru the different service times and places and the children's and youth ministries, and of course for Pastor Jeff and Robin and church leaders of so many ministries etc.
Pastor Jeff and I in a recent meeting felt we'd like to follow the people's passion for some of this kind of continuing prayer.
Personally I would be happy and willing to come into any group and talk and pray about concerns and ideas. We'll continue to encourage people to use the Prayer Room for their personal time, during the hours the church is open...and to use the Prayer Chain..Touch Cards, calls and other ways to let people know they are being prayed for.
Thankfully we are planning more time for prayer and discernment in our Church Council meetings in the future...God will guide us! Sue Kaiser, Prayer Ministries Coordinator
Tuesday, May 11, 2010
May Christian Ed. report
Dear Trinity Family:
Every once in a while you take a step back and look at what God was doing and say, ”Whoa what an awesome God we serve!” God has done so much this past year that sometimes we need to celebrate what he has done. This being said let’s look forward!
We continue to work on providing opportunities for both the children and volunteers to grow in the Lord. We will be having fellowship coffees with each of our volunteers to get to know them better as well as their vision for the children.
Important Dates:
May 30 – Sunday school cancelled
June 6 – Family Worship 10:30 am
June 13 – Teacher appreciation celebration
June 20 – Last Day of Sunday school
July 3 – Parade Float
July 30 – Carnival
Vacation Bible School will be August 8-13th from 6-8:30 PM. Our theme this year will be “High Seas”. The curriculum is very exciting. Liz just attended a VBS University and received a lot of great tips and supplies. We decided to do our VBS in the evening to get more volunteers.
We want to say thank you for this opportunity to serve you.
Liz and Mark Von Wald
Every once in a while you take a step back and look at what God was doing and say, ”Whoa what an awesome God we serve!” God has done so much this past year that sometimes we need to celebrate what he has done. This being said let’s look forward!
We continue to work on providing opportunities for both the children and volunteers to grow in the Lord. We will be having fellowship coffees with each of our volunteers to get to know them better as well as their vision for the children.
Important Dates:
May 30 – Sunday school cancelled
June 6 – Family Worship 10:30 am
June 13 – Teacher appreciation celebration
June 20 – Last Day of Sunday school
July 3 – Parade Float
July 30 – Carnival
Vacation Bible School will be August 8-13th from 6-8:30 PM. Our theme this year will be “High Seas”. The curriculum is very exciting. Liz just attended a VBS University and received a lot of great tips and supplies. We decided to do our VBS in the evening to get more volunteers.
We want to say thank you for this opportunity to serve you.
Liz and Mark Von Wald
Sunday, May 9, 2010
Worship Forum pt3 (10:30am)
There were 50 people who stayed for the forum.
Reflections on what brings you to this service:
Sunday school hour at 9:00; Choir; Music; Ushering; Organist; Traditional format; Sanctuary; Traditions from childhood to adulthood
· Communion table is missed, the rails, the centerpiece of the service is no longer in place.
· Hope was expressed that we, as a congregation can journey back together ( the 2 services)
· Children’s moment is missed, however there still is a children’s moment is the first Sunday of the month
· Some expressed that she miss the continuity of all generations being under one roof.
· With the three services some have felt more isolated.
· What brought people to Trinity was a family oriented congregation and what will keep people here is the family oriented service
· Some expressed their dislike the division
· Some found the 9am service more uplifting
· Worship committee expressed that they are trying to meet everyone’s needs.
· Trying different services, try blended service every once in a while to see how this venue would be accepted.
· Concerns were expressed that with the physical separation can Trinity continue to grow and survive.
· A roundtable discussion was suggested to get both 9 AM and 10:30 service participants together to openly discuss the direction that Trinity should take for the future.
· Mixture of styles
· A lot of churches have multiple services for the main reason that there are different ways to worship. The services at Trinity are both working in the same direction, but moving in parallel. Our challenge is how can we make this work with multiple services? People miss seeing congregants that they have seen for years.
· Some expressed that combining the services in a blended service may not be the answer because then everyone needs to compromise the way that people worship. Traditionalists will not be happy and the contemporary congregants will not be happy.
· These services are an opportunity to reach out to all people of Grand Island. Multiple services give us an opportunity to teach God’s love to our community, adhere to our Mission statement as a church.
· If we blend services we are going to lose some new attendees that have come to like one or the other service.
· Both services fill a need and we should look toward ways to bring both services together in joint social gatherings.
· Demographics need to be looked at to attract more people to the church, what are the possibilities for leadership, financial issues also need to be considered.
· There is room in the main sanctuary for all services to be held in the new building.
· Points were brought up that exactly what is it that draws people to the service, time, building, tradition vs. contemporary service. Congregants need to do some soul searching on exactly what brings them to Trinity. What would happen if the traditional were moved to Historic Trinity? , would people still go, is it the format, or time, building, exactly what is it that draws people to their particular service.
· Youth participation needs to be taken seriously into consideration, also adult Sunday School and participation. Issues of youth fluctuate, wax and wane, we are going through a transitional time. The youth are not coming because the parents are not coming, we need to join the families together and give the parents something to do during the SS hour, for both youth and adults.
· We need to look at the entire spiritual growth of all members, mentoring to new people.
What are people willing to change or to give up?
· Some would give up everything………..the level of attendance at the 10:30 service is drastically down. We need to start with the 225 people that were here today and build off that. Do we hold on to traditions or new service so much that we miss the big picture of Trinity surviving.
· We need to take a hard look at how welcoming we are as a church, make people feel welcome. We will lose people if we miss that opportunity to make people welcome.
· Hard issues of reality, sporting issues for youth, other activities, no one is really responsible but it makes it difficult for families of youth to consistently attend church.
· Are we losing the younger generation? How can we get the youth to get a meaningful worship experience. The fact of the matter is, is that youth are not coming to church. If they would attend a service it would be the 9 AM service then they could attend Sunday School after the 9 AM service. That does not seem to be happening.
· This is a starting point, we need to see which problems we can solve and which ones we can’t. In churches that are overflowing and need to provide a second service, they see that there is a reason for it. What has happened here is that we started a new service for a need of diversity, but we have lost some of vitality at the 10:30 service and it is dwindling and slowly dying.
We have the best location for walkers, it is natural best place for people to start coming to church from all of the apartment buildings nearby.
Reflections on what brings you to this service:
Sunday school hour at 9:00; Choir; Music; Ushering; Organist; Traditional format; Sanctuary; Traditions from childhood to adulthood
· Communion table is missed, the rails, the centerpiece of the service is no longer in place.
· Hope was expressed that we, as a congregation can journey back together ( the 2 services)
· Children’s moment is missed, however there still is a children’s moment is the first Sunday of the month
· Some expressed that she miss the continuity of all generations being under one roof.
· With the three services some have felt more isolated.
· What brought people to Trinity was a family oriented congregation and what will keep people here is the family oriented service
· Some expressed their dislike the division
· Some found the 9am service more uplifting
· Worship committee expressed that they are trying to meet everyone’s needs.
· Trying different services, try blended service every once in a while to see how this venue would be accepted.
· Concerns were expressed that with the physical separation can Trinity continue to grow and survive.
· A roundtable discussion was suggested to get both 9 AM and 10:30 service participants together to openly discuss the direction that Trinity should take for the future.
· Mixture of styles
· A lot of churches have multiple services for the main reason that there are different ways to worship. The services at Trinity are both working in the same direction, but moving in parallel. Our challenge is how can we make this work with multiple services? People miss seeing congregants that they have seen for years.
· Some expressed that combining the services in a blended service may not be the answer because then everyone needs to compromise the way that people worship. Traditionalists will not be happy and the contemporary congregants will not be happy.
· These services are an opportunity to reach out to all people of Grand Island. Multiple services give us an opportunity to teach God’s love to our community, adhere to our Mission statement as a church.
· If we blend services we are going to lose some new attendees that have come to like one or the other service.
· Both services fill a need and we should look toward ways to bring both services together in joint social gatherings.
· Demographics need to be looked at to attract more people to the church, what are the possibilities for leadership, financial issues also need to be considered.
· There is room in the main sanctuary for all services to be held in the new building.
· Points were brought up that exactly what is it that draws people to the service, time, building, tradition vs. contemporary service. Congregants need to do some soul searching on exactly what brings them to Trinity. What would happen if the traditional were moved to Historic Trinity? , would people still go, is it the format, or time, building, exactly what is it that draws people to their particular service.
· Youth participation needs to be taken seriously into consideration, also adult Sunday School and participation. Issues of youth fluctuate, wax and wane, we are going through a transitional time. The youth are not coming because the parents are not coming, we need to join the families together and give the parents something to do during the SS hour, for both youth and adults.
· We need to look at the entire spiritual growth of all members, mentoring to new people.
What are people willing to change or to give up?
· Some would give up everything………..the level of attendance at the 10:30 service is drastically down. We need to start with the 225 people that were here today and build off that. Do we hold on to traditions or new service so much that we miss the big picture of Trinity surviving.
· We need to take a hard look at how welcoming we are as a church, make people feel welcome. We will lose people if we miss that opportunity to make people welcome.
· Hard issues of reality, sporting issues for youth, other activities, no one is really responsible but it makes it difficult for families of youth to consistently attend church.
· Are we losing the younger generation? How can we get the youth to get a meaningful worship experience. The fact of the matter is, is that youth are not coming to church. If they would attend a service it would be the 9 AM service then they could attend Sunday School after the 9 AM service. That does not seem to be happening.
· This is a starting point, we need to see which problems we can solve and which ones we can’t. In churches that are overflowing and need to provide a second service, they see that there is a reason for it. What has happened here is that we started a new service for a need of diversity, but we have lost some of vitality at the 10:30 service and it is dwindling and slowly dying.
We have the best location for walkers, it is natural best place for people to start coming to church from all of the apartment buildings nearby.
Worship Forum pt2 (9am)
There were approximately 40 people present
- Everyone loves the music and the band. The only suggestion was maybe more diversity and more upbeat music. They also all loved that we try and do a hymn each week.
- Community sharing time is important to people, it helps build the sense of 'community' that they feel the 9 am service provides.
Though sometimes it's hard to hear people during that time and also joys and concerns.
- It was shared that a lot of people worked hard to save Historic Trinity and that it should be used. Everyone loves the 'energy' they feel in HT, the less formal setting, and the tight-knit community feeling they get from being in the smaller space.
- Love the addition of the violin, suggested trying to get a keyboard player.
- It was brought up that we've already attracted four new young families to the service which was our goal in starting this.
Thoughts on a 'blended service'
- Many think it would not draw in new people as the 9am already has. And that we would lose some from both services if we tried.
- Some would not come to a service that consists of both contemporary and traditional in the new building. They feel the sense of intimacy would be lost and do not like the traditional choir or organ music, even if it's mixed in.
- A lot of people don't like the idea of moving to the new building and losing the intimacy of the smaller sanctuary in HT.
- They don't think it would solve the problem, and if the church's attendance is up isn’t that the main thing?
- Some view it as a solution to appease a certain crowd rather than a solution to attract new people and help the church grow.
Thoughts in general
- We should try and advertise more to spread the word about the contemporary service
- We should view having the three separate and distinct services as a strength rather than a 'dividing' of the church
- Maybe once every quarter have a combined service so people could visit. This was said by a number of people and re-iterated to me afterwards .
- One person shared the reason they love Trinity so much is that it does offer a multitude of ways to get involved in all aspects of the church.
- Many thought that the schedule should be left the way it is.
To sum everything up, the general consensus was that everyone truly loves the 9am service where it's at, what time it's at, and the style of it. That is why many people have started coming back to church regularly instead of just twice or three times a year. It's brought in new people already and that's because it offers a tight-knit community feeling that would be lost if we joined services or moved the space. People were not opposed to moving to a bigger space but didn't think we had enough people for that yet. While they miss some of the people attending the other services, the 9am crowd is very pleased that the church has taken a step and is offering something that fits their worship style and need. Otherwise, a lot would not be at church every week. Everyone does love the idea of a once a quarter church service that does combine both services and gives everyone the chance to fellowship together. That was their solution to the lack of fellowship between the two services. It is felt by almost all that if we try and combine the 9 and 10:30 into some hybrid you will lose many from the 9am service.. It was also agreed upon that the church does offer many, many different varieties of ways to get involved in the community and that those should be taken advantage of by the ones who are feeling a sense of loss. Everyone feels that while there may be this sense of "disconnect" felt by some, that the two services are not working against each other but rather side by side in an effort to help the church grow and to meet the needs of a lot of its members that otherwise would not be at church. And also, it was said by many that you really can't please everybody. And if attendance is indeed up and growing then we should stick with what we're doing since it's obviously working.
- Everyone loves the music and the band. The only suggestion was maybe more diversity and more upbeat music. They also all loved that we try and do a hymn each week.
- Community sharing time is important to people, it helps build the sense of 'community' that they feel the 9 am service provides.
Though sometimes it's hard to hear people during that time and also joys and concerns.
- It was shared that a lot of people worked hard to save Historic Trinity and that it should be used. Everyone loves the 'energy' they feel in HT, the less formal setting, and the tight-knit community feeling they get from being in the smaller space.
- Love the addition of the violin, suggested trying to get a keyboard player.
- It was brought up that we've already attracted four new young families to the service which was our goal in starting this.
Thoughts on a 'blended service'
- Many think it would not draw in new people as the 9am already has. And that we would lose some from both services if we tried.
- Some would not come to a service that consists of both contemporary and traditional in the new building. They feel the sense of intimacy would be lost and do not like the traditional choir or organ music, even if it's mixed in.
- A lot of people don't like the idea of moving to the new building and losing the intimacy of the smaller sanctuary in HT.
- They don't think it would solve the problem, and if the church's attendance is up isn’t that the main thing?
- Some view it as a solution to appease a certain crowd rather than a solution to attract new people and help the church grow.
Thoughts in general
- We should try and advertise more to spread the word about the contemporary service
- We should view having the three separate and distinct services as a strength rather than a 'dividing' of the church
- Maybe once every quarter have a combined service so people could visit. This was said by a number of people and re-iterated to me afterwards .
- One person shared the reason they love Trinity so much is that it does offer a multitude of ways to get involved in all aspects of the church.
- Many thought that the schedule should be left the way it is.
To sum everything up, the general consensus was that everyone truly loves the 9am service where it's at, what time it's at, and the style of it. That is why many people have started coming back to church regularly instead of just twice or three times a year. It's brought in new people already and that's because it offers a tight-knit community feeling that would be lost if we joined services or moved the space. People were not opposed to moving to a bigger space but didn't think we had enough people for that yet. While they miss some of the people attending the other services, the 9am crowd is very pleased that the church has taken a step and is offering something that fits their worship style and need. Otherwise, a lot would not be at church every week. Everyone does love the idea of a once a quarter church service that does combine both services and gives everyone the chance to fellowship together. That was their solution to the lack of fellowship between the two services. It is felt by almost all that if we try and combine the 9 and 10:30 into some hybrid you will lose many from the 9am service.. It was also agreed upon that the church does offer many, many different varieties of ways to get involved in the community and that those should be taken advantage of by the ones who are feeling a sense of loss. Everyone feels that while there may be this sense of "disconnect" felt by some, that the two services are not working against each other but rather side by side in an effort to help the church grow and to meet the needs of a lot of its members that otherwise would not be at church. And also, it was said by many that you really can't please everybody. And if attendance is indeed up and growing then we should stick with what we're doing since it's obviously working.
Worship Forum pt1 (8am)
There were approximately 20 people in attendance. Jeff opened the meeting stating that the purpose was NOT to eliminate the 8:00 service, but to better the attendance of all services to grow the church and increase fellowship among all members.
Observations and concerns:
·Those that attend the 9:00 service like the format: Contemporary music, closeness of the congregation.
·Those that attend the 8:00 service similarly enjoy the format in addition to the early hour allowing for other things the rest of the day.
·Having communion every week is a draw for some
·The banners in the sanctuary are appreciated and some felt more banners should be hung throughout the building (family room).
·The fellowship between all members is missed.
·A suggestion was to combine the two styles (traditional and contemporary) for one service.
·Perhaps a video could be made of the message and played at the service where the pastor would not speak on that particular Sunday. This would give both services the benefit of hearing the pastor’s message every week.
·Podcasting was suggested. (The 9:00 service is currently being podcast)
·An observation was made that church is now in competition with many Sunday activities such as retail and sports. Finding a chunk of time for families to attend church and Sunday school is sometimes a challenge.
·A suggestion was made to return to the “original” 8:00 format of more of a prayer service. Perhaps this would lighten the Pastor’s load.
·Some felt music was not absolutely necessary at 8:00 service.
·A comment was made: “If it’s broken, fix it; if it’s not, leave it alone.”
·Thanks and praises to Jeff for being a strong leader.
·Contemporary service of 9:00 was discussed with a suggestion of swapping times for the Contemporary and the Traditional service.
·The suggestion of combining both services (9:00 and 10:30) would not increase attendance, but perhaps have the reverse effect.
·Format for the 8:00 service is liked by most, and those in attendance would be very disappointed should it be no longer a Worship option.
Observations and concerns:
·Those that attend the 9:00 service like the format: Contemporary music, closeness of the congregation.
·Those that attend the 8:00 service similarly enjoy the format in addition to the early hour allowing for other things the rest of the day.
·Having communion every week is a draw for some
·The banners in the sanctuary are appreciated and some felt more banners should be hung throughout the building (family room).
·The fellowship between all members is missed.
·A suggestion was to combine the two styles (traditional and contemporary) for one service.
·Perhaps a video could be made of the message and played at the service where the pastor would not speak on that particular Sunday. This would give both services the benefit of hearing the pastor’s message every week.
·Podcasting was suggested. (The 9:00 service is currently being podcast)
·An observation was made that church is now in competition with many Sunday activities such as retail and sports. Finding a chunk of time for families to attend church and Sunday school is sometimes a challenge.
·A suggestion was made to return to the “original” 8:00 format of more of a prayer service. Perhaps this would lighten the Pastor’s load.
·Some felt music was not absolutely necessary at 8:00 service.
·A comment was made: “If it’s broken, fix it; if it’s not, leave it alone.”
·Thanks and praises to Jeff for being a strong leader.
·Contemporary service of 9:00 was discussed with a suggestion of swapping times for the Contemporary and the Traditional service.
·The suggestion of combining both services (9:00 and 10:30) would not increase attendance, but perhaps have the reverse effect.
·Format for the 8:00 service is liked by most, and those in attendance would be very disappointed should it be no longer a Worship option.
May SPRC report
A.) The SPRC met with Liz and Mark Von Wald for the annual staff review for “Directors of Christian Education”.
-Mark and Liz shared their philosophy of a relational style of ministry which is intended to build strong relationships with the children and parents so that children see Jesus living through them. This is accomplished through activities, prayer and communications including personal calls.
- Currently there is small growth in attendance, new activities, changes to the pre-K, 5th grade classes have added action prior to teaching and Wednesday evening programs changes from Kidmo to themed nights.
Concerns shared were:
- Getting sufficient volunteers. While there are adequate Sunday school teachers but special events need more help.
- They are also trying to improve the spiritual growth and training for Sunday school teachers.
- Reestablishing the children’s advisory council was addressed as a means to help with volunteers and feedback.
- Changes to the Sunday services and how it impacts Sunday school are an issue.
Future plans:
- Vacation Bible school planning is underway for an evening program in August
- Trinity is hoping to have a float in the July 4 parade to advertise TUMC and the VNS.
- They would like to start mission service projects with the small groups of the older children
- Have regular teacher training and spiritual growth sessions for teachers.
- Transition event to the middle school youth program.
- Provide a list of expectations for teacher and helpers.
- Build a relationship with Sunday school teachers, helpers and families with personal contact.
The SPRC members shared their appreciation for a great start to their program. The children program is considered very important to the future of Trinity Church by providing an entry point for new families. We must have a welcoming, vibrant program to offer. The Von Wald’s have displayed that they are not willing to settle for the status quo and will continue to work to make changes that improve and meet families at their needs. We are very lucky to have 2two dedicated, committed Christians to lead this program.
The staff reviews for the music director and organist have been postponed till fall.
B.) A new staff position for “contemporary worship leader” was discussed and approved. Nathan Lange will be asked to fill the position he currently is doing on a voluntary basis if approved by the church council at the May meeting. The position would be filled as of 6-1-2010 with a salary to be negotiated (similar to the music director).
C.) Mary Douds has agreed to be the SPRC counterpart to Youth ministries and the crib room coordinator
D.) Pastors comments:
- Things continue to progress well with continued consistent attendance and financial giving above previous years at this time of year.
- The discussion during last Sunday’s meetings after the service showed a high level of interest in how to proceed in the future. The results and minutes will be shared at the worship committee and a follow up meeting is scheduled for June.
- Pastor Jeff will provide a vacation schedule for the summer. Charlie Yund encouraged him to strongly consider a “mini sabbatical “by taking 2 consecutive weeks.
- The conference changes are still unclear. The impact on Trinity for medical is still not known but a cap on increases to any church is in place at 110-120 %.
- Robin Blair has no position as yet after she completes as chaplain in August.
E.) Next meeting is Wednesday, June 2 at 7:00 pm
Respectfully submitted,
Charlie Yund
-Mark and Liz shared their philosophy of a relational style of ministry which is intended to build strong relationships with the children and parents so that children see Jesus living through them. This is accomplished through activities, prayer and communications including personal calls.
- Currently there is small growth in attendance, new activities, changes to the pre-K, 5th grade classes have added action prior to teaching and Wednesday evening programs changes from Kidmo to themed nights.
Concerns shared were:
- Getting sufficient volunteers. While there are adequate Sunday school teachers but special events need more help.
- They are also trying to improve the spiritual growth and training for Sunday school teachers.
- Reestablishing the children’s advisory council was addressed as a means to help with volunteers and feedback.
- Changes to the Sunday services and how it impacts Sunday school are an issue.
Future plans:
- Vacation Bible school planning is underway for an evening program in August
- Trinity is hoping to have a float in the July 4 parade to advertise TUMC and the VNS.
- They would like to start mission service projects with the small groups of the older children
- Have regular teacher training and spiritual growth sessions for teachers.
- Transition event to the middle school youth program.
- Provide a list of expectations for teacher and helpers.
- Build a relationship with Sunday school teachers, helpers and families with personal contact.
The SPRC members shared their appreciation for a great start to their program. The children program is considered very important to the future of Trinity Church by providing an entry point for new families. We must have a welcoming, vibrant program to offer. The Von Wald’s have displayed that they are not willing to settle for the status quo and will continue to work to make changes that improve and meet families at their needs. We are very lucky to have 2two dedicated, committed Christians to lead this program.
The staff reviews for the music director and organist have been postponed till fall.
B.) A new staff position for “contemporary worship leader” was discussed and approved. Nathan Lange will be asked to fill the position he currently is doing on a voluntary basis if approved by the church council at the May meeting. The position would be filled as of 6-1-2010 with a salary to be negotiated (similar to the music director).
C.) Mary Douds has agreed to be the SPRC counterpart to Youth ministries and the crib room coordinator
D.) Pastors comments:
- Things continue to progress well with continued consistent attendance and financial giving above previous years at this time of year.
- The discussion during last Sunday’s meetings after the service showed a high level of interest in how to proceed in the future. The results and minutes will be shared at the worship committee and a follow up meeting is scheduled for June.
- Pastor Jeff will provide a vacation schedule for the summer. Charlie Yund encouraged him to strongly consider a “mini sabbatical “by taking 2 consecutive weeks.
- The conference changes are still unclear. The impact on Trinity for medical is still not known but a cap on increases to any church is in place at 110-120 %.
- Robin Blair has no position as yet after she completes as chaplain in August.
E.) Next meeting is Wednesday, June 2 at 7:00 pm
Respectfully submitted,
Charlie Yund
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